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| Protesters crowd the capitol rotunda in Madison, WI |
In case you have not heard, they are quite ornery in Wisconsin right now over a bill currently under consideration that would eliminate collective bargaining rights for public service unions. Hey Nick, you're a teacher. How can you support a bill that will annihilate teachers' benefits and rights? The short, snarky answer to that is because if a bill forces a Senate full of Democratic senators to run away to Illinois of all places, it can't be all too bad. They're watching in Ohio too as the governor there has now introduced a similar bill in the Ohio senate...that was met with a similar response.
The more exact answer to the question posed in the first paragraph is a little more complicated than that, and I must preface this by saying that I am NOT a union member, nor do I have any desire to be. I remember when I was student teaching at Montgomery Blair, George Bush made an appearance there to promote No Child Left Behind. It was on a Saturday so there were no kids in session, but the teachers "protested" outside because they did not support Bush's position on No Child Left Behind or something like that. What a croc. They protested because George Bush was George Bush, and the union powers that be hate George Bush. This situation is no different.
Here's the big issue that most naive onlookers seem to overlook. Taking away collective bargaining doesn't take away benefits, as most protesters would have you believe. In collective bargaining, the union powers that be negotiate with management on behalf of the workers themselves. By taking that away, what the governor is doing is weakening the authority of the union itself, not the workers. However, the union protests would make you believe that the workers are the ones directly affected by collective bargaining. Yet, if the bill does not pass, the state is going to have to lay off at least 1,500 state employees. I highly doubt that many of those will be teachers, but the point is that this cowardly behavior on the part of Democrats is leading to dire consequences for state employees. Ordinary workers will be the ones affected if the bill is not past. If the union truly represented the state employees of Wisconsin, they would fight tooth and nail to make sure the bill gets passed, not killed! After all, a union can't survive if it has no people paying their dues, right?
So who benefits from the bill being passed? The entire state of Wisconsin, to start. The governor has inherited a $3.6 billion dollar deficit, due in no small part to excessive union payments. By eliminating collective bargaining, he lowers the power the union itself has in state politics, which in the long run will save the state money. That's what people I don't think understand. It's the UNION ITSELF, not the individual worker, who is driving this train here. In the past, with Democratic governors and legislatures, the unions had huge power (mostly because they are HUGE Democratic donors). So once Democrats get power, they repay their friends in the unions with chic perqs. Kind of a buddy-buddy system if you will. However, the people of Wisconsin (and other states) have decided this time that the financial mismanagement under Democrats has gone too far. A MAJORITY of Wisconsinians (is that how you say it?) voted for Republicans and Scott Walker this time around, to DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. The people protesting lost the election. Elections matter. They were not in the majority. So instead of letting Democracy work, they whine about it.
I support teachers of all kinds. However, unions are an entirely different animal. Unions are supposed to be apolitical, but in practice, they always support Democrats. So when Republicans take over for a change, and try to clean house, this is the thanks they get. For all the teachers out there, check this out. I think you'll like it. It's a piece by slam poet Taylor Mali entitled "What Teachers Make." I think some of the union powers that be might want to listen to his message.
Kent, your response?

I also am a non-union teacher, and likely always will be for political reasons. But a friend posted this a few days ago, which I found interesting, though it doesn't necessarily mean anything.
ReplyDeleteOnly 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators and have deemed it illegal. Those states and their ranking on ACT/SAT scores are as follows:
South Carolina -50th
North Carolina -49th
Georgia -48th
Texas -47th
Virginia -44th
If you are wondering, Wisconsin, with its collective barganing for teachers, is ranked 2nd in the country.
Again, I know that's probably just a coincidence (if it's even true), but I am curious if there's any correlation.
Is there a source for that? I'd like to see it if possible.
ReplyDeleteNot sure where he got the info from, but this site seems to show some sources and more information:
ReplyDeletehttp://edudemic.com/2011/02/proof-that-having-no-collective-bargaining-for-teachers-hurts-students/
This site is more critical of the claim:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/23/state-democratic-party-wisconsin/labor-union-supporters-say-wisconsin-test-scores-v/
Anyway it takes a lot more research than I am willing to do at this point ;) But I think you can find more sites if you search "states without collective bargaining for teachers and test scores" or "only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators."
Okay, so I swear I posted this earlier, but I don't see it so maybe not. Sorry if it shows up twice!
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure where my friend got those stats, but this website seems to have some information:
http://edudemic.com/2011/02/proof-that-having-no-collective-bargaining-for-teachers-hurts-students/
This site is critical of the claim:
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/23/state-democratic-party-wisconsin/labor-union-supporters-say-wisconsin-test-scores-v/
Basically it would take more time to research this than I want to spend ;) But I found those links fairly easily just searching some of the keywords from the facebook claim, so I'm sure there are more statistics out there if you are so inclined, haha.
Alright, I've got a couple comments to make outside of the specifics of the Wisconsin brouhaha.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, the notion that the bill only weakens the union, and not the workers (teachers, in this case), is counter-intuitive. The union is a proxy negotiator for the workers; that's how unions work. By weakening the union, you weaken the union's ability to negotiate on behalf of the workers, thereby weakening the workers.
Second (and I made a similar comment on your "Short Take on Wisconsin" entry), while I agree that the stunt of the Democratic state senators is ridiculous, it is the functional equivalent of the filibuster in the U.S. Senate, and I'm not sure I've ever heard you condemn the filibuster with as much gusto as you condemn unions and this "cowardly" act by the Democratic state senators.
Thirdly, you made mention that Republicans were elected "to do exactly what they are doing right now" and that majorities and elections matter. Fair enough. That being said, President Obama and the 111th Congress were elected to, among other things, provide a public health care program. The fact remains, however, that that process was bogged down and resulted in weaker legislation, due primarily to a whiny and bitchy Republican Senate minority that, metaphorically, fled to Indiana. Do you condemn their efforts to thwart what you and I elected Obama, Pelosi, and Reid to do as rigorously as you condemn the Wisconsin Democrats on the same grounds that "elections matter?"
@Kent: You mention Republicans did the same thing in the Senate as the Dems are doing Wisconsin. There's a big difference. The filibuster is an established rule of Senate procedure. Say what you want about it's validity, but the whole point of a bicameral congress was to have the lower house (the House of Reps) actually represent the people directly, and the Senate represent the states. Therefore the Senate was allowed more flexibility in debate procedures (i.e. the filibuster) as they were directly representing the states themselves. Now, of course the 17th Amendment made that point moot, but the introduction of "cloture" put limits on debate. I guess that was a compromise of sorts to get the 17th Amendment through because states did not want to lose their bargaining power. Perhaps you can correct me on that.
ReplyDeleteWisconsin has no such rules that support delay tactics as the Democrats are employng now. In the eyes of Wisconsin law, they are AWOL. Therefore, their functionality as senators should be essentially gone...and it is on all matters except budget where a quorum is necessary. Therefore, it seems like a low blow to pull a stunt like this. Whereas the Republicans were just acting within the rules of established Senate procedure (again...the merits of which can be up for debate somewhere else), the Democrats in Wisconsin are for all intents and purposes breaking the law.
@Kristen...yes your posts did come through. I received notification to that effect. Why they are not staying on here I have no idea, but I know they did go through. Something later on must have deleted them. In any event, I have not checked out your links as of yet, but I plan to.
ReplyDeleteThis was Kristen's post from a couple days ago responding to my source request on her statistic regarding unions and SAT/ACT scores.
ReplyDeleteNot sure where he got the info from, but this site seems to show some sources and more information:
http://edudemic.com/2011/02/proof-that-having-no-collective-bargaining-for-teachers-hurts-students/
This site is more critical of the claim:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/23/state-democratic-party-wisconsin/labor-union-supporters-say-wisconsin-test-scores-v/
Anyway it takes a lot more research than I am willing to do at this point ;) But I think you can find more sites if you search "states without collective bargaining for teachers and test scores" or "only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators."
Thanks for addressing ONE of my points, Nick. :-P First, I'll say that I'm not sure what kind of draconian laws Wisconsin has, but I'm not sure not showing up for work is "breaking the law" there. And whether or not Wisconsin Senate rules allow it, the Dems going on vacation in the Windy City is STILL the functional equivalent of the filibuster - a procedural block of current legislation (the specific procedure in the Wisconsin Senate being the need for a quorum to stomp on workers' rights).
ReplyDeleteSecond, I would argue that there's a difference between "acting within the rules of established Senate procedure" and abusing said procedure. I'm sure that in their drive to defend people from medical attention and a clean environment, Republicans don't view their crusade as abusing the filibuster, but it nevertheless is.
I'll illustrate this with an analogy: most convenience stores have a "Take a Penny, Leave a Penny" tray. They'll usually let you take two, three, four pennies to pay your tab. But if a guy came in every day at the same time with a jar, picked up the tray and emptied it into the jar, and then left, at some point the clerk or the manager would either bar that guy from enjoying the benefits of the tray, or reform the procedure for taking a penny and/or leaving a penny.
The first session of the 111th Congress (2009) featured "over 100 filibusters and acts of procedural obstruction" (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/health/policy/21senatecnd.html?_r=1). That is simply ridiculous. Congress is only in session for maybe 200 days or so (? - an edumacated guess). So they're blocking something every other DAY. If you don't consider that abuse, I've got a housewife with two black eyes I'd like to introduce you to. Not to mention that some of these fucksticks block something, and when cloture is passed they VOTE FOR THE BILL (one such case is mentioned in the article linked above)! WHAT THE FUCK!? If I could punch every one of them in the dick, I would. It's immature and unacceptable (the abuse of the filibuster, not the desire for dick-punching, though it probably is a little immature too).
Like I said, we can debate the merits of the filibuster on another post. As far as your other point about the unions...I so thoroughly addressed the point about the filibusters that I forgot. I do apologize.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I don't feel like weakening the union weakens the worker. What would give you that idea. I always felt that unions as a whole were contradictory. Their purpose is to make working life better for ordinary workers, but those additonal benefits are turned right around and given to the union in the form of dues. Yes, there are benefits as well, but the benefits are what really cripple the corporations...and when it gets outrageously expensive for the corporation to pay for the benefits of one employee, that hampers their ability to hire more employees (this is especially true for small business). Thus, the union prevents the hiring of workers because the corporations can't afford to hire a larger workforce at the levels they support a smaller workforce.
You take the union out of the picture, you don't cut benefits, you just slow their growth. Workers can now keep the money they otherwise would have paid in dues, and the Democratic party loses a major source of money.
Besides, like I said, if the union was truly concerned with the well-being of the workers in Wisconsin, they would be doing everything they can to prevent the layoffs. The governor said that if the budget bill is not passed, the state will have to lay off employees. Where is the union there?